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Speaking of which, this conversation should be moved to #lounge.

Uhh, when I was made the form I was made with was a spider. It isn't really important other than whenever I'm not controlling the body yet I still want to be conscious and still interact or seen. There is a sense in which the personalities can be considered different people, too, just as we can be considered the same person.

Ok, little miss moderator!!

To my knowledge "same person" seems much more technically accurate, but the human mind doesn't care too much about technical accuracy and there are many cases where you cannot interpret two different personalities as the same person if you are only hearing or speaking to them.

I think Sarah wanted that in lounge.

Oh, I thought it was fine in "beginner" for beginner information. The channels have topics to stick to, after all, other than lounge and cafe.

But she just said!!

>little miss moderator

3:52 PM

top kek

so just realized any progress made is while close to sleep (edited)

Achieving a semi-lucid state is extremely helpful, but unreliable/risky. Meditation gives the same effect without any downsides.

need to cut out soda I think. It distracts when doing meditation

It'll help you lose weight. It's just sugar water.

think my tulpa changed into a dog. was human in form

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Cute!!

I'm trying to passive force with my tulpa but I don't know if I have her attention. I don't even know if I can get her attention since I've only started up a few days ago. Do you guys have any tips on how to get your tulpas attention when you are in the early stages of tulpamancy?

10:57 PM

I sat there for 5 minutes just calling her name in my head and focused on her but I don't know if that's enough or if I even got her attention

where else do you think her attention might be?

I doubt it is developed enough to really have "attention" at a few days old. I would not worry about it.

Well I did force with her for about two months last year and had to stop due to some personal problems

11:03 PM

I don't know if that changes anything

A big part of early forcing is building up the sense that you have a tulpa there with you

I do have pressure in my head when I force but it comes and goes

narrate more, do more personality and form forcing, and you may find that the ability to "pay attention to your tulpa" develops as you do so

Well, personality and form forcing are not a necessary thing.

11:04 PM

I would personally skip over that, as I do not think personality forcing works. (edited)

I narrate for 8-12 hours a day, and I do 22 minutes of one personality trait a day, and I just started with meditation and working on her form.

Nope, but I think they can be helpful for the early stages. It's definitely something you can skip if you want.

yeah, they're naturally going to deviate and be themselves anyway, and ultimately that's something you should let them do

And that's super impressive, I'm not sure what to say that could help you in that case Lunar

Personality forcing does feel like a useless step to me.

So I should just keep at it? I'm not sure on if I'm going to do a huge amount of personality traits because I want her to deviate and become her own without me influencing much in a big way because I know they are influenced by tour subconsiousness

I would say that I think from what you are saying that you are doing well enough. You need to work up to feeling like they are there with you though, or else it will feel like nothing is paying attention.

Well, I might ask what you are looking for when you say you want to have your tulpa's attention?

Well a few days ago, before I started narrating and passive forcing I said to to her good morning and that we are going to start up again today and that I want you to give me a sign you are here and listening to me, just so I know I'm talking to you and not just talking to myself. After a bit I felt this pressure in my head flare up and I knew it was her because that just doesn't randomly happen.

so you are looking for more things such as that pressure?

In my opinion, it was likely you accidentally creating a pressure in response to your own question. I would say that as long as you direct the thoughts, it should not be an issue, this young.

I start off every day with good morning and how did you sleep and all then, then I say we are going to force again today then I wait to see if she can give me a sign. I guess I'm looking for head pressure, which I know isn't a great way to know if your tulpas there but I know they can send you emotional responses and other things. When I say to her are you there and give me a sign, I wait for anything

That's an interesting way to go about it, I don't think I've seen many start tulpamancy by an introduction and waiting for a response daily like that.

To make sure I direct my thoughts I write her name on my hand and I feel like she's here listening even if she can't respond

I have a small sample size, though, it might not be rare at all

I read in a guide that before you start forcing on day one to have a kind of greeting with your tulpa and say what the host and tulpa are going to do, so I took that and made it to every day I greet her and ask her how she's doing and all that. I wait for a response but I know and fully accept it may take a while for her to respond in any way

Interesting.

I might give you the advice to say that tulpamancy is not "magic". What I think will find you progress in tulpamancy is a long slow ramping up of capability and function on the part of your tulpa. "Grand" events like having a head pressure are not reliable and easily created with in-the-moment-placebo, which I think Harleen was mentioning earlier. However, as time passes you might find that while you're idling in your thoughts you are not quite be sure if that thought was from you or not. Over time, the situations you feel that doubt in become more consistent, and you stop doubting and start assuming that the "aspects" of the thought that once made you doubt are now indicators that you solidly associate with your tulpa speaking. The tulpa emerges with the pace of a snail and at a pace so gradual that you might not even notice any progress. You do not necessarily "wait for a response" and are met suddenly with an alien, fully formed, sentient tulpa.

11:19 PM

Some might be met with such a situation, but I think that's a matter inherent somewhat to pre-existing conditions and biology.

11:21 PM

Keeping in mind, this is all my opinion, and I am not necessarily a trustworthy source.

I know it will take months of forcing like this every day to get something from my tulpa. I've read to assert certain things with your tulpa from the start within reason of course. I'm just going off the guides I've read and a few of them say assume your tulpa is sentient from day one and that's what I've been doing. I don't think tulpamancy is magic, I know it's all science and having to do with the mind. When I forced a year ago with my tulpa I did have doubts but this time when I started up again I knew that this was real because doubt is really bad when tulpa forcing. So I've had to fully accept that this is going to take time and I have to be patient.

I mean "magic" in a more figurative sense, like how computers work "by magic" or with you not having to care about the details and mechanics going on under the hood (edited)

11:30 PM

But yeah, sorry if that advice isn't helpful at all. If all else fails, you can just keep forcing and see what happens.

It helped, I guess I'm kinda anxious to hear her or get a response which I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I wouldn't say it's good or bad, It's good to be enthusiastic and excited about it, at least.

Thanks for helping me with this, it cleared a lot up actually.

No problem, I'm glad it helped

@💜Miss Elder Thing💜 "I know it will take months of forcing like this every day to get something from my tulpa." This is not a good mindset. It's best to not set any time expectations, whether they be "This will happen before X time" or "This will happen only after X time"

12:23 AM

Your tulpa could very well start responding within a few weeks or even sooner

12:24 AM

Especially considering you did two months of work on her before this

12:28 AM

Also, tulpamancy does work without you needing to know the underlying mechanics. All you need to do is keep in mind the idea of somebody else being in your brain with you, and talk to that presence on a regular basis. That is all there is to it at it's core, you do not need to know anything else to be successful.

So like right now I'm studying to get my permit for driving and I always read what I'm reading to my tulpa, even with videos and all that I'm constantly relaying information to her and talking to her in my head. I do this with whatever I'm doing

12:40 AM

I also know that when my tulpa, Luna is ready and willing to talk or respond she will, I'm not going to force her into anything

Seeing as you are constantly narrating, you are very likely to make fast progress. The more often you force the faster she will advance

1:51 AM

Even something such as forcing for an hour every day can lead to fast progress, so what you are doing is extremely likely to cause fast progress

1:51 AM

Most people do not narrate constantly or even most of the time during the creation process

1:52 AM

I don't because I'm horrible at passive forcing, 90% of my forcing is active

do y'all find reading something to your tupper harder than commenting on things

1:53 AM

its hard to invoke a sense of them or to keep my thoughts on them while reading, whereas commenting on things feels more conversational :p

very much so, when trying to focus on work especially

Damn I've been focusing on other things rather then Natt for a few days now

6:17 PM

I just feel so demotivated

I would not worry about it too much, Nathan. You do not need to spend every waking moment thinking of her. Having some time for yourself is just as important. It is about striking a balance.

Yeah

6:48 PM

I've been reading other stuff in this chat and saw some stuff I could apply to my own forcing sessions

6:50 PM

Maybe I should read to her

I think I’m going to start creating a tulpa today. Well, I’ve tried some other times, but could never find the peace and quiet I need. Any advice?

Maybe get a routine going where you can fit tulpawork into your day. Are you able to find a period in your day where you won't be interrupted (before sleeping, in the shower, on the way to school/work/university, etc)? I think it's helpful to find time rather than make time for things like this, otherwise it's too hard.

9:33 PM

And when you tried other times, what did you do?

@Tristan Be prepared and ready for a life commitment.

Normally, when I tried other times, I tried in a place (like my room) when the people I live with weren’t home so I could have quiet, but either my dog would make noise, my phone would start to buzz, my roommates came home, etc.

9:41 PM

And alright.

@Deleted User Im also working on a tulpa and was in a similiar situation last week, what worked for me was continuing to passive force regulary and the slowly adding to the time spent active forcing

I used to just force in the ~15 minutes it took me to fall asleep

9:53 PM

I'd do that just about every night.

@Tristan the way i do it (not saying that it is the best option) is to stay up late, listen to binaural beats and meditate.

9:58 PM

Its currently midnight where i live

I know I've talked about visualization before, but i was thinking; if your brain can produce such vivid visualizations in dreams, shouldn't it theoretically be able to produce the same in our waking hours if we could just "unlock" or brains' potential? Thus allowing you to truly immerse yourself in a wonderland?

I would imagine that dreams are very intensive. Off the top of my head I think there is something in the brain that "turns off" the connection to your body so that your dreams don't send your limbs flailing

1:31 AM

to an extent, I think it is possible, but not 100%.

there is, it's called sleep paralysis

Hypnagogia is also quite similar. They both involve disassociating from your body and hallucinating, basically.

1:33 AM

So if you practice doing both, I guess it would be possible.

I'm not talking about sleep paralysis, I'm talking about being able to, at will, bring yourself into/ out of the wonderland using the brain to your advantage (edited)

I was responding to reguile's statement that there's something in the brain that turns off the connection

Oh

but yeah, I imagine that theoretically it should be possible to achieve that level of vividity with lots of practice

Nvm

1:37 AM

Yeah, i Just don't know how one would go about doing this without completely disconnecting from the real world like you do in a dream

1:38 AM

Also, idk if this even belongs in #tulpa-questions but i didn't know where else to put it

Hello everyone! Can anyone help me, a new tulpamancer, out with a question?

sure

So, I got kind of weirded out/scared today. Little background information. The tulpa I am trying to make is starting with the form of a "shadowy man" with different designs on his skin, but before that form, I was debating between the shadow man or a type of wolf (non-anthromorphic). Well, I was active forcing like I have been doing for the past week or so, when all of a sudden a violent image of a wolf attacking the shadow man and essentially ragdolling the shadow man until I just stopped forcing for fear that I accidentally killed my tulpa.